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    Default Gemini Team Manifest

    by IHAD regarding the current situation
    of the Gemini 4.3.1 release

    Cause of our re-opening,we the IHAD Team,are now giving a statement regarding the events that took place in the last days.
    Hopefully we can answer a few questions to our regular users
    and work a little against the criticism from others.
    Regarding the propaganda of some other Sat Boards,we will make a statement in the future as well.

    How the drivers became part of the image:
    After we started our Blue Panel lock which worked quite ok up to 2-3 days after the start,a work-around patch became public that made it pretty much obsolete.
    After this event,DMM offered us exclusivly, a new driver for the DM500 that should become part of the CVS shortly after.
    This driver should make it possible to display jpeg files,with the DM500.

    We the Team,did put 1 and 1 together and thought,that this new driver might have something in it to help DMM protect their rights.
    So we assumed that this new driver might have some kind of clone detection.

    Nevertheless a test on a Blackbox,which took place,couldn't confirm this assumtion.
    The Blackbox was working without any problems in our tests.
    And honestly:Why shouldn't we use a driver that without any doubt brought many improvments for the users of the DM500.
    We also decided to keep on using this driver in our DM500 images.
    This has to reasons...
    First:Why should regular DM500 users be punished by not getting improvements for their box.
    Second:Anyone who now still puts the gemini image on their Blackbox Reciever,simply should have known better.

    What has happend:
    On the 27th of march 2008 the Gemini 4.3.1 DM500 including the new drivers was released by us.
    Since that time the so called "Time Bomb" was active and at some point started to delete the boot loader of the Clone boxes that used the image.
    An announcement was displayed that said:"Warning - clone box detected -system stop. Contact your dealer - adios amigo!"
    Afterwards the box shut down and didn't boot anymore.
    Deleted was the part that is necessary to boot software on the box,this part was under license of DreamMultimedia.
    This license includes that this part of the sofware can only be used for the Dreambox STB.
    Usage on other hardware is completly prohibited and therefor illegal!
    The problem is,that the deleted part is the,so to speak,bios.Similiar to the bios of a PC and without this bios the box won't boot.
    The weired thing about all this is,that these cloneboxes,had this DMM software pre-installed,some of them even had the Gemini image pre-installed on it.
    Which meant a DMM license violation right from the beginning.
    So it must be completly logical to everyone,that DMM(the rightful owner of this software) had to start countermessures at some point.
    We the IHAD Board and Gemini Team support this action,that was taken by DMM,but were also supprised by the harshness of the action.
    Cause as it seems the box can only be "resurected" with a hardware based operation(JTAG) that writes the booloader back to the chip.
    Which brings us right back to the license problem,cause there is no alternative,free software/bootloader made available by the manufactor of the cloneboxs for these kind of STBs.
    So it basically would be illegal too,to write the DMM software back to the chip of the unlicend STB.

    Why we decided to close the board:
    Over the last couple of days many users have registered at IHAD,that were affected by the "Time Bomb" and their insults and acusations knew no boundaries.
    And as we,after 2 days,didn't see and end to all this ,we decided to close the board.
    We just couldn't accept this kind of treatment towards us,cause we have no responsebility whatsoever,regarding the actions that were taken by DMM.
    They were the only ones that had knowledge about the countermessures that were taken.
    Nevertheless,we do take general responsebility for actively working against these clones.Which we already stated on several occasions in the past.
    We are all Dreambox fans and our hobby is made possible by the products developed and sold by DreamMultimedia and we would practically work against ourselfs,if we wouldn't act against these cloned STBs.
    It simply can not be in our interest that manufactors, that are not involved in the developing process,take profits from the real developers.
    The posting of real adresses of IHAD Team members and statements like:"I would like to pet their backs with my baseball bat."
    and such, simply were beyond all manners.
    And so we closed the doors of the IHAD board.

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    Prin simpla impresie contramasurile trebuiau limitate la detectia clonei si STOP al procesului de upgrade ! Unii dintre cumparatori , si nu putini sint de buna credinta cumparat DM500 cu ambalaj si holograme "originale" ! fiind cumparatori de buna cedinta nu pot fi penalizati ! Vinovatia apartine fabricantului ! el este cauza ...el trebuie combatut ! contramasurile impotriva victimelor ... o razbunare prostesca ...ce se va intampla ? simplu ...hackerii vor avea de lucru mult ! si vor produce versiuni cu "driverul" inhibat ! versiuni paralele !

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    da si nu... e la fel ca in cazul in care esti prins cu o masina furata, tu fiind insa cumparator de buna credinta: scapi de raspundere penala, dar bunul se confisca iar banii dati se pierd, asta daca nu il prinzi pe vanzator sa-ti recuperezi paguba.

    pana una alta, clonele sunt un bun 'furat', o copie a unui bun licentiat... ai fost prins cu ele, se confisca (in acest caz se scot din uz), iar daca te stii cumparator de buna credinta it's up to you sa te duci la vanzator sa le scoti ochii si sa ceri banii inapoi...

    Forza MILAN!

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    din cite am intels problema e alta.... dmm n-a facut release la imagine oficiala cu noile drivere, ci a profitat de ihad si de relatia cu ei sa le dea in cap fabricantilor de clone. asta nu se prea face. au pierdut mult din suportul comunitatii.

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    Sunt cu totul de acord cu mihaip .... este cea mai mare prostie ca sa faci utilizatorul final sa sufere .... multi care au cumparat nu stiu sau nu au stiut ca sunt clone ... multi producatori vindeau clone la pret de original si se mai si laudau ca sunt originale ... eu cand am cumparat dm500 nu am stiut ce cumpar ... si nici nu stiam sa fac diferentiere intre unul original si o clona ... norocul meu e ca cel care mi la vandut a fost un tip de treaba si mi-a vandut un original ... cu toate ca sa defectat de 2 ori pana acum ... odata in garantie si odata dupa ce a expirat garantia .... un prieten care are clona nu a avut nici o problema cu el ... spunea cineva ca se poate verifica daca e clona prin desfacerea lui si vazand anumite componente ... il desfaci .. ce se mai intampla cu garantia.
    Nici nu sunt de acord cu a fi pedepsiti sau denigrati cei care s-au uitat la bani cand si l-au cumparat ... multi dintre noi poate ca au facut sacrificii mari pt a reusi sa-si cumpere un dm ... si atunci este normal ca se uita la 1 mil de lei .... nu toti suntem destepti si avem firme ... nu toti ne-am nascut bogati ... unii dintre noi muncesc din greu pt a face acesti bani.
    Fiecare are dreptul de a alege si fiecare o face pe riscul lui.

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