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    Default Legislatie in domeniul instalarii antenelor satelit

    Am cautat pe forum dar n-am gasit raspuns la urmatoarea problema:
    Locuiesc intr-un bloc cu acoperis de tigla si intimpin oarecare dificultati in ceea ca priveste montarea unei antene pe acoperis. Problema e ca sefa asociatiei de locatari (si administratorul) ma tot ameninta ca nu-mi dau voie sa instalez antena pe bloc. Ce pot face in acest caz?
    Cineva mi-a spus ca daca dau o declaratie notariala cum ca imi asum cheltuielile datorate unor eventuale pagube determinate de existenta antenei pe acoperis, totul ar fi in regula si nu au ce sa-mi mai spuna.
    Sincer nu stiu cum sa procedez in acest caz, intrucit nu prea vreau sa ma pun rau cu unii dintre vecini (desi multe sunt niste babe idioate).
    Auzisem mai demult de o lege existenta la nivel de UE prin care este interzisa ingradirea accesului la informatia radio/Tv pe teritoriul UE.

    Aveti cunostinta de vreo lege care sa reglmeteze asemenea situatii? Cum as putea proceda legal ?

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    cea mai mare prostie a ta si a altora e ca cereti permisiunea babelor si mosilor de la asociatie pentru a instala antenele...nu faceti altceva decat sa le dati idei..eu am pus-o bine-mersi pe acoperis si nu a zis nimeni nimic..daca ii intrebam, credeti ca nu eram trimis cu tabelul prin bloc dupa semnaturi?

    din cate stiu eu nu exista legislatie unica la nivel european cu privire la asa ceva..totul depinde de la comunitate la comunitate...

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    Sti care-i chestia? Ca una din babe avea antena pe bloc, iar sefa asociatiei (alta baba) a pus-o sa si-o dea jos. Iar prima baba, mai "slaba de inger", a dat antena jos.
    Eu vroiam sa vin cu legea in fata astfel incit sa nu mai aiba ce comenta. Asta pe linga tonul mai ridicat pe care o sa-l folosesc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTA View Post
    Sti care-i chestia? Ca una din babe avea antena pe bloc, iar sefa asociatiei (alta baba) a pus-o sa si-o dea jos. Iar prima baba, mai "slaba de inger", a dat antena jos.
    Eu vroiam sa vin cu legea in fata astfel incit sa nu mai aiba ce comenta. Asta pe linga tonul mai ridicat pe care o sa-l folosesc...
    Pai daca ai ceva de lamurit..lamuresti cu cel care a construit acoperisul in cazul in care e acoperis de bloc facut acu dupa 90 si probabil cel de la ultimul etaj a facut investitia singur(cel putin asa a fost la mine in scara) si singurul cu care discut e vecinu de la ultimul etaj...la restu ciocu mic si joc de glezne... Tre sa i iei tare ca altfel ti se urca in cap. Un pic de tupeu ...

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    Acoperisul e un bun comun. Daca a fost facut de la inceput ( o data cu ridicare blocului) ai aceleasi drepturi asupra lui ca si restul. Daca a fost facut recent si ai contribuit cu bani la constructia lui atunci la fel ai aceleasi drepturi. Esti si tu proprietar si cota parte din el.

    Daca a fost facut doar de cateva persoane atunci trebuie sa discuti cu respectivele persoane si sa le ignori pe restul .

    Bafta !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper View Post
    Acoperisul e un bun comun. Daca a fost facut de la inceput ( o data cu ridicare blocului) ai aceleasi drepturi asupra lui ca si restul.Bafta !
    Bun, am inteles ca-i bun comun. Asta inseamna ca am voie sa ridic o antena pe el, fara sa cer permisiunea nimanui ?

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    Dak esti din Arad da adresa pe pm si te rezolv eu cu vecinii, iti gasesc si niste legi de n-o sa comenteze nimeni.

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    sint curios sa vad si eu legiile ca ma destept si eu putin

    multam

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    si la mine nu m-au lasat pe acoperis.asa ca le-am pus pe casa scarii.si am 2 antene
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    E periculos sa dai declaratii ca iti asumi vina in caz ca apar probleme. Iti dai seama ca daca o baba de la un etaj inferior e inundata de o alta baba de la un etaj superior chiar daca antena este in alta parte a acoperisului, acestea vor face o plangere cum ca apa s-a infiltrat de la antena ta si vor urma certuri interminabile. Este destul de nasoala situatia in care te aflii. Cred ca stiu blocul unde stai si cu pomii aia inalti nu prea ai sanse de receptie. Ziceai cu ceva timp in urma ca esti din Timisoara (langa LOGA) nu?
    Oricum parerea mea e sa nu semnezi nimic si sa fi cu gura mare, poate le intimidezi.


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    Ai aici legea si un link, le-am mai postat de cateva ori:
    IP/01/913
    Brussels, 2 July 2001
    Services: Commission sets out right to use a satellite dish in the Internal Market


    The European Commission has adopted a Communication in which it states that private individuals should be free to use satellite dishes without undue technical, administrative, urban planning or tax obstacles. The right to do so flows from the free movement of goods and services, which are both fundamental Internal Market freedoms. The Commission's intention is that the Communication will respond to the numerous requests for information and clarification which it has received on the subject in recent months from private individuals and the European Parliament. This Communication is the first initiative under the new Strategy for Services, launched in January 2001 (see IP/01/31).
    Internal Market Commissioner Frits Bolkestein said: "This Communication explains the right to use a satellite dish - one of the many concrete benefits for European consumers of the free movement of goods and services within the Internal Market. Satellite dishes are an increasingly popular tool for receiving multiple services via satellite: they facilitate mutual exchanges between our various cultures by overcoming national borders, and familiarise the general public with the new remote communications technologies. Their use must therefore be free from any unjustified obstacle."
    Satellite dishes have become an increasingly powerful, inexpensive and popular tool for receiving a growing range of services which are carried by satellite, namely, television and radio broadcasts and information society services (for example, on the Internet).
    Given the cross-border nature of these services, the Commission attaches considerable importance to this issue in terms of economic and cultural exchanges and the dissemination of the new technologies in the context of the Internal Market, notably in view of the prospects for an enormous expansion of satellite reception in Europe.
    Satellite dishes are the last link in an economic chain which supplies various satellite services involving a number of economic operators, starting with the suppliers of the content through the satellite companies and assemblers to the end user. Obstacles to the use of satellite dishes therefore impact at several levels of the economy.
    The Communication stresses that private individuals, as the final users of these cross-border services, can cite the free movement of goods and services, fundamental principles which must be directly applied in national law. In addition, the right to receive information via satellite dish is related to the fundamental right to freedom of expression, which is established by the European Convention on Human Rights.
    The right to a satellite dish
    The Communication should make it possible to eliminate a number of existing restrictions (and prevent potential ones) on the use of satellite dishes, thus avoiding new infringement procedures. By stating users' rights to own a satellite dish, the Communication provides an illustration of how the principles of freedom of movement in the internal market are of direct, tangible benefit to consumers. The authorities in the Member States, whether at national, regional, provincial, communal or other level, must therefore ensure the primacy of Community law and full respect for the freedoms which it lays down.
    In particular, the Communication gives a series of clarifications and specific information regarding the various types of restriction which have, on numerous occasions, been drawn to the Commission's attention by private individuals and by written questions and petitions from the European Parliament. It stresses that the following national restrictions are incompatible with the free movement of goods and services:
    • Technical barriers
      Regulations on the characteristics of satellite dishes can hinder not only the movement of goods but also the movement of the services which they carry.
      Administrative obstacles
      It is not acceptable to make the installation of a satellite dish subject to systematic prior authorisation or completion of a complex and expensive administrative procedure.
      Architectural and town-planning obstacles
      Concerns of an architectural and town-planning nature, which are often cited in this context, can be met by solutions which make it possible, where necessary and technically feasible, to minimise the visual and aesthetic impact of satellite dishes without impairing quality of reception, under reasonable conditions and at reasonable cost; such solutions can, for example, involve the location of the dish (indoors rather than outdoors) or the type of dish (e.g. a collective dish rather than numerous individual dishes).
      Tax obstacles
      The Commission reiterates its opposition to taxes which are specifically targeted at satellite dishes. It has already expressed its opposition as part of infringement procedures for violation of Article 49 of the Treaty (free movement of services); it recalls the case law of the Court of Justice, which has upheld private individuals' right to obtain reimbursement of such taxes from their national courts, subject to the formal and substantive requirements of national law. Moreover, independent of the right to lodge a complaint or obtain a refund, a tax collected in violation of a fundamental freedom under Community law may cause the Member State in question to become liable.
      Obstacles to freedom of user choice
      The choice of technology, like the choice of services, rests entirely with the user. It is therefore unacceptable to influence such choices, for example, by penalising or otherwise discouraging the use of satellite dishes, or requiring satellite dish users to receive particular services or channels.
    The Communication concerns exclusively satellite dishes designed to receive simple services. These dishes are becoming increasingly widespread, thanks to what are now very moderate prices and increasingly powerful technology. According to estimates for mid-2000, nearly 30 million EU households(1) had direct satellite broadcasting reception systems: either individual dishes serving one dwelling (DTH: Direct To Home) or collective dishes, shared by several dwellings (SMATV: Satellite Master Antenna Television). The range of services carried by satellite dishes is increasing constantly.
    The text of the Communication is available on the Europa site: http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market
    (1)Figures provided by Astra. More precisely, there were 25.2 million households with direct satellite reception systems in the EU in mid-1998, 27.7 million in mid-1999 and 29.4 million in mid-2000. The number could reach 52 million in 2010. Other statistics, obtained from a survey carried out for Eutelsat by Crédome (Centre de Recherche Innovation/Médias du Groupe Publicis) indicate that more than 26 million households owned a satellite dish in 1999.

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    Sa te invat si eu ceva ? Pe langa legea pe care ti-a dat-o @kroky , intereseaza-te tu daca acoperisul respectiv este construit cu acte in regula , adica autorizatie de constructie , obtinuta in urma aprobarii unui proiect si in urma unui studiu , facut de o comisie de experti unde sa se exemplifice ca s-au respectat toate criteriile de rigoare , expunerea la riscuri , in care sa fie incluse rezistenta la o anumita forta a vantului , rezistenta la seisme de o anumita intensitate , rezistenta structurii la greutatea acoperisului, autorizatia de la pompieri , asigurare impotriva accidentelor, incadrarea in normele actuale...ce mai ,vezi daca au acte in regula privind acoperisul ca 100% nu au , si ameninta-i cu instanta daca mai comenteaza , fiindca astfel sunt obligati sa intre in legalitate sau sa-l demoleze. Instalarea acestei antene , este dreptul tau , fara ca sa ceri vre-o aprobare din partea cuiva si ai putea face-o punand antena si fara sa deranjeze , in functie de posibilitati , pe exteriorul peretelui blocului , sau imfipta bine intr-o janta de camion , autobuz , nu stiu exact ce conditii ai acolo, sfatul meu , intra tare in babele alea ca nu au ce sa-ti faca legal...deci :

    S'altare si s'ucces !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilibistrocu View Post
    Sa te invat si eu ceva ? Pe langa legea pe care ti-a dat-o @kroky , intereseaza-te tu daca acoperisul respectiv este construit cu acte in regula , adica autorizatie de constructie , obtinuta in urma aprobarii unui proiect si in urma unui studiu , facut de o comisie de experti unde sa se exemplifice ca s-au respectat toate criteriile de rigoare , expunerea la riscuri , in care sa fie incluse rezistenta la o anumita forta a vantului , rezistenta la seisme de o anumita intensitate , rezistenta structurii la greutatea acoperisului, autorizatia de la pompieri , asigurare impotriva accidentelor, incadrarea in normele actuale...ce mai ,vezi daca au acte in regula privind acoperisul ca 100% nu au , si ameninta-i cu instanta daca mai comenteaza , fiindca astfel sunt obligati sa intre in legalitate sau sa-l demoleze. Instalarea acestei antene , este dreptul tau , fara ca sa ceri vre-o aprobare din partea cuiva si ai putea face-o punand antena si fara sa deranjeze , in functie de posibilitati , pe exteriorul peretelui blocului , sau imfipta bine intr-o janta de camion , autobuz , nu stiu exact ce conditii ai acolo, sfatul meu , intra tare in babele alea ca nu au ce sa-ti faca legal...deci :

    S'altare si s'ucces !

    EXACT asta e ce-a mai buna treaba si sa vezi cum le bagi in priza pe cucoane

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    Cere la administrator ca sa-ti faca copie dupa PV de receptie a acoperisului conform HG273/94 pentru ca vrei sa mergi cu el in instanta .
    Daca ti-l da veridica autorizatia de constructie conform Lege 50/91 cu modificarile si completarile ulterioare .
    Daca autorizatia este in regula cere sa-ti spuna cine a fost Dirigintele de santier ; Responsabil tehnic cu executie ; Verificatorul de proiect conform HG925/95
    Daca si acum ai ghinion spunei ca trebuie sa faca expertiza tehnica pt a obtine certificarea CE a acoperisului cf Lege 608/2001 cu modificarile si completarile ulterioare precum .Daca nici acum , contesta in instanta transpunerea in legislatia RO a directivei 98/106/1988 si cistigi sigur .

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    Multumesc de sfaturi. Am sa incerc sa le pun in practica.

    Dar totusi am o intrebare care deriva din raspunsurile voastre.
    Daca un acoperis nu are toate aprobarile si normele necesare, atunci inseamna ca pot da asociatia in judecata sa dea jos acoperisul. Si asociatia ce este obligata sa faca in acest caz ? Daca babele n-au bani sa schimbe acoperisul atunci eu tot cu buza umflata ramin si tot nu pot folosi acest mijloc de santaj.
    Sau daca acoperisul nu respecta normele si nu are aprobarile de rigoare asta imi permite automat sa pun si eu o antena? Asta pe criteriul ca "daca oricum nu e sigur, ce mai conteaza o antena in plus pe acoperis" , sau ca nu pot strica cu o antena un acoperis care oricum e stricat?
    Cum ati pune voi problema in fata sefei asociatiei ?

 

 

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