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    Default E voie sa pui antena parabolica daca stai la bloc in strainatate?

    Petru a facilita aparitia unei noi tipuri de televiziune as ruga frumos pe toti romanii care locuiesc in afara granitelor Romaniei sa-mi spuna daca au voie sa puna parabola pe blocul unde locuiesc si in ce conditii pot face acest lucru.
    Voi incepe eu infirmind ca in Danemarca de exemplu difera dela un proprietar la altul insa costa aprox.2500 euro o autorizatie ca sa-ti pui parabola pe blocul in care locuiesti.

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    in spania vb. cu administratorul blocului si gata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zogo View Post
    Voi incepe eu infirmind ca in Danemarca de exemplu difera dela un proprietar la altul insa costa aprox.2500 euro o autorizatie ca sa-ti pui parabola pe blocul in care locuiesti.
    Cam scump ... ! Pt. ce defapt ? Cum se justifica acest pret ? Cum faceau fanariotii pe vremuri: puneau bir e fumul de la cos ...

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    Din cate stiu conform unei legi europene cu privire la dreptul la informatie,cetatenii straini au dreptul la o antena pt a receptiona programele tarii sale.
    dar in primul rand de fapt e intelegerea cu proprietarul sau vecinii.

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    EU-Bürger haben Grundrecht auf Satellitenschüssel
    Nutzung von Parabolantennen darf nicht unnötig behindert werden


    Die EU-Kommission hat "das Recht auf die Antenne" proklamiert. Nach Angaben von EU Binnenmarkt-Kommissar Frits Bolkestein ist die Möglichkeit, eine Parabolantenne ohne übermäßige technische, administrative, städtebauliche oder steuerliche Hemmnisse zu nutzen, Ausdruck des freien Dienstleistungs- und Warenverkehrs und somit eine Grundfreiheit des Binnenmarktes. Außerdem sei die Möglichkeit, Informationen mittels einer Antenne zu empfangen, Teil der in der Europäischen Menschenrechtskonvention garantierten Meinungsfreiheit. http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/01/913&format=HTML&aged=1&language=EN&guiLanguage=fr

    EU-weit verfügten Mitte vergangenen Jahres knapp 30 Mio. Haushalte über eine Satelliten-Empfangsschüssel. Die Parabolantenne sei das letzte Glied einer Wirtschaftskette, die eine Vielzahl von Satellitendiensten umfasse und an der zahlreiche Wirtschaftsteilnehmer beteiligt seien, betonte Bolkestein. Jeder müsse deshalb die freie Wahl zwischen den unterschiedlichen Empfangsmitteln und Diensten haben, die über Antenne empfangen werden könnten. Es sei daher nicht zulässig, diese Wahl zu beeinflussen, indem etwa die Nutzung von Parabolantennen "bestraft" oder verhindert werde: "Die Verbraucher müssen sie frei von jeder ungerechtfertigten Einschränkung nutzen können", so der Kommissar.


    Bolkestein nannte als "Verhinderungs"-Beispiel die Forderung nach einer vorherigen Montagegenehmigung oder komplizierte und teure Verwaltungsverfahren für die Installation einer Antenne. Nicht hinnehmbar seien auch besondere Abgaben auf Parabolantennen. Architektonische und städtebauliche Bedenken sollten so gelöst werden, dass die optischen und ästhetischen Auswirkungen einer Parabolantenne weitestgehend begrenzt werden, so lange der Empfang technisch möglich bleibt.


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    IP/01/913
    Brussels, 2 July 2001
    Services: Commission sets out right to use a satellite dish in the Internal Market


    The European Commission has adopted a Communication in which it states that private individuals should be free to use satellite dishes without undue technical, administrative, urban planning or tax obstacles. The right to do so flows from the free movement of goods and services, which are both fundamental Internal Market freedoms. The Commission's intention is that the Communication will respond to the numerous requests for information and clarification which it has received on the subject in recent months from private individuals and the European Parliament. This Communication is the first initiative under the new Strategy for Services, launched in January 2001 (see IP/01/31).
    Internal Market Commissioner Frits Bolkestein said: "This Communication explains the right to use a satellite dish - one of the many concrete benefits for European consumers of the free movement of goods and services within the Internal Market. Satellite dishes are an increasingly popular tool for receiving multiple services via satellite: they facilitate mutual exchanges between our various cultures by overcoming national borders, and familiarise the general public with the new remote communications technologies. Their use must therefore be free from any unjustified obstacle."
    Satellite dishes have become an increasingly powerful, inexpensive and popular tool for receiving a growing range of services which are carried by satellite, namely, television and radio broadcasts and information society services (for example, on the Internet).
    Given the cross-border nature of these services, the Commission attaches considerable importance to this issue in terms of economic and cultural exchanges and the dissemination of the new technologies in the context of the Internal Market, notably in view of the prospects for an enormous expansion of satellite reception in Europe.
    Satellite dishes are the last link in an economic chain which supplies various satellite services involving a number of economic operators, starting with the suppliers of the content through the satellite companies and assemblers to the end user. Obstacles to the use of satellite dishes therefore impact at several levels of the economy.
    The Communication stresses that private individuals, as the final users of these cross-border services, can cite the free movement of goods and services, fundamental principles which must be directly applied in national law. In addition, the right to receive information via satellite dish is related to the fundamental right to freedom of expression, which is established by the European Convention on Human Rights.
    The right to a satellite dish
    The Communication should make it possible to eliminate a number of existing restrictions (and prevent potential ones) on the use of satellite dishes, thus avoiding new infringement procedures. By stating users' rights to own a satellite dish, the Communication provides an illustration of how the principles of freedom of movement in the internal market are of direct, tangible benefit to consumers. The authorities in the Member States, whether at national, regional, provincial, communal or other level, must therefore ensure the primacy of Community law and full respect for the freedoms which it lays down.
    In particular, the Communication gives a series of clarifications and specific information regarding the various types of restriction which have, on numerous occasions, been drawn to the Commission's attention by private individuals and by written questions and petitions from the European Parliament. It stresses that the following national restrictions are incompatible with the free movement of goods and services:
    • Technical barriers
      Regulations on the characteristics of satellite dishes can hinder not only the movement of goods but also the movement of the services which they carry.
      Administrative obstacles
      It is not acceptable to make the installation of a satellite dish subject to systematic prior authorisation or completion of a complex and expensive administrative procedure.
      Architectural and town-planning obstacles
      Concerns of an architectural and town-planning nature, which are often cited in this context, can be met by solutions which make it possible, where necessary and technically feasible, to minimise the visual and aesthetic impact of satellite dishes without impairing quality of reception, under reasonable conditions and at reasonable cost; such solutions can, for example, involve the location of the dish (indoors rather than outdoors) or the type of dish (e.g. a collective dish rather than numerous individual dishes).
      Tax obstacles
      The Commission reiterates its opposition to taxes which are specifically targeted at satellite dishes. It has already expressed its opposition as part of infringement procedures for violation of Article 49 of the Treaty (free movement of services); it recalls the case law of the Court of Justice, which has upheld private individuals' right to obtain reimbursement of such taxes from their national courts, subject to the formal and substantive requirements of national law. Moreover, independent of the right to lodge a complaint or obtain a refund, a tax collected in violation of a fundamental freedom under Community law may cause the Member State in question to become liable.
      Obstacles to freedom of user choice
      The choice of technology, like the choice of services, rests entirely with the user. It is therefore unacceptable to influence such choices, for example, by penalising or otherwise discouraging the use of satellite dishes, or requiring satellite dish users to receive particular services or channels.
    The Communication concerns exclusively satellite dishes designed to receive simple services. These dishes are becoming increasingly widespread, thanks to what are now very moderate prices and increasingly powerful technology. According to estimates for mid-2000, nearly 30 million EU households(1) had direct satellite broadcasting reception systems: either individual dishes serving one dwelling (DTH: Direct To Home) or collective dishes, shared by several dwellings (SMATV: Satellite Master Antenna Television). The range of services carried by satellite dishes is increasing constantly.
    The text of the Communication is available on the Europa site: http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market
    (1)Figures provided by Astra. More precisely, there were 25.2 million households with direct satellite reception systems in the EU in mid-1998, 27.7 million in mid-1999 and 29.4 million in mid-2000. The number could reach 52 million in 2010. Other statistics, obtained from a survey carried out for Eutelsat by Crédome (Centre de Recherche Innovation/Médias du Groupe Publicis) indicate that more than 26 million households owned a satellite dish in 1999.




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    Quote Originally Posted by zogo View Post
    ...insa costa aprox.2500 euro o autorizatie ca sa-ti pui parabola pe blocul in care locuiesti.
    Taxa este ilegala si numai cei neinformati (sau cu prea multi bani) o platesc.
    In Austria se plateste o mica taxa, cam de 30 Euro, pentru eliberarea formularului tip in care sunt enumerate conditiile: instalarea o faci pe banii tai, firma autorizata, impamantare, traseul de cablu (nu extern sau pe fatada), etc. Daca se trage cablul printr-un cos nefolosit, atunci trebuie si o aprobare de la cosarul blocului, care adevereste ca respectivul cos nu este folosit cu foc in el si nu e pericol de incendiu (alti 35 Euro). Dar cam astea sunt costurile si nimic mai mult, restul sunt ilegale.

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    in italia sunt mai multe variante si nu se plateste nici o taxa dar depinde de la oras la oras.
    spre exemplu in anumite orase nu ai voie cu antena individuala numai cea centralizata o potzi monta.(o antena terestra si o parabolica pentru tot blocul).
    in alte orase nu potzi monta antene pe balcon ci numai pe bloc
    la roma nu e nici o regula.daca ai apartament de proprietate pui si 3 antene (cum am eu)
    daca locuiesti in chirie tre sa ceri voie proprietarului si a administratorului blocului(rare cazuri)
    in rest blocurile si balcoanele sunt pline de antene.
    era vorba de o lege sa se puna numai antene centralizate(se folosesc pt sky si e monopol sky) numai ca s-au revoltata asociatziile de consumatori si au lasat-o balta.

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    @rusudaniion:
    in italia sunt mai multe variante si nu se plateste nici o taxa dar depinde de la oras la oras.
    spre exemplu in anumite orase nu ai voie cu antena individuala numai cea centralizata o potzi monta.(o antena terestra si o parabolica pentru tot blocul).
    in alte orase nu potzi monta antene pe balcon ci numai pe bloc
    la roma nu e nici o regula.daca ai apartament de proprietate pui si 3 antene (cum am eu)
    daca locuiesti in chirie tre sa ceri voie proprietarului si a administratorului blocului(rare cazuri)
    in rest blocurile si balcoanele sunt pline de antene.
    era vorba de o lege sa se puna numai antene centralizate(se folosesc pt sky si e monopol sky) numai ca s-au revoltata asociatziile de consumatori si au lasat-o balta.
    pe linga ca aberezi mai si dezinformezi ! nu ai reusit sa pricepi ce a spus kroky ? ti-a dat o lege valabila in tot e.u . italia nu face parte din e.u. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nirolf View Post
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    pe linga ca aberezi mai si dezinformezi ! nu ai reusit sa pricepi ce a spus kroky ? ti-a dat o lege valabila in tot e.u . italia nu face parte din e.u. ?
    eu am raspuns la titlul topicului
    E voie sa pui antena parabolica daca stai la bloc in strainatate?
    nu lui kroky.

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    Italienii nu respecta nici macar legile lor.De alea europene li se balangane.Du-si si spunei unuia ceva de legile europene sa vezi cum a-ti ride in nas.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gymi View Post
    Italienii nu respecta nici macar legile lor.De alea europene li se balangane.Du-si si spunei unuia ceva de legile europene sa vezi cum a-ti ride in nas.
    este asa cum am zis eu sau nu?
    cine nu vede nu crede.

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    Legea e lege dar daca propritarul blocului nu e de acord n-ai ce face, daca ai balcon ai sanse fff mari sa n-ai probleme cu nimeni, daca insa vrei sa o montezi pe fatada blocului atunci nici o lege nu iti da dreptul asta. Iar daca vrei s-o montezi pe acoperis si acesta sa fie cu tigle trebuie sa fie montata de firma autorizata deoarece se intra in alte domenii, daca va trazni in ea si nu are pamintare sau daca va curge apa pe linga antena vreodata va fii foarte costisitor uitatul la televizor prin satelit. Cel putin aici in Berlin asa stau lucrurile, administratorul nu-ti da el aprobare ca n-are nici o putere in sensul asta, are insa o influenta foarte mare in fata proprietarului, daca el zice ca e ok cum vrei tu atunci primesti acceptul proprietarului.
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    in dubai poti instala oriunde vrei doar in anumite zone.
    Am ajuns la concluzia ca in Vest este mai curat pentru simplul motiv ca aici ploua mai des...

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    In Suedia,in blocul unde am fost gazduit citeva zile,se cumpara dreptul de a locui in imobil pe timpul vietii,blocul apartinind unui propietar.In contract scrie clar ca nu ai voie sa faci modificari in interiorul sau exteriorul apartamentului.Fiind si emigranti care locuiesc in acel imobil,s-a luat decizia ca se pot instala antene parabolice in balcon,dar nu au voie sa depsaeasca marginea balconului decit max. 10 cm
    Asa ca,nu se putea receptiona decit TVRi.Uitaindu-ma atent la toate balcoanele,am vazut ca cele de la ultimul etaj,al patrulea aveau niste stapontine,niste perdele suspendate,care depaseau cu mai mult de 10 cm nivelul balconului.Am venit cu ideea ca si parabola ar putea iesi,dar am aflat cu stupoare,ca dupa un avertisment de nerespectare a regulamentului,poti fi evacuat automat.

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    practic in e.u. un avocat(contra cost)face un memoriu la judecatorie invocind legea pe care kroky si-a dat osteneala sa ne-o puna la dispozitie. apoi un judecator emite un ordin prin care propietarul este obligat sa permita montarea antenei,simplu.

 

 

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