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    Default Want to Buy TATASKY -.... Read This


    Friends......... I dont have any grudge over Tatasky , but just read this , I dont know how far it is correct...... and is it any different from Dishtv?


    http://orangehues.com/blog/2007/03/c...-tata-sky.html

    Conspiracy Called Tata Sky
    India's latest entrant in direct-to-home TV has utter disregard for your rights and uses discrete means to take control over them

    Last Friday I bought a Tata Sky set-top box. Today, I returned it to get a complete refund. This is my story of why I did that and what I learned in the process. This isn't a rant, hopefully a bit of education for current and future Tata Sky owners and perhaps even a precursor to change.

    I chose Tata Sky over Dish TV because the reviews indicated they have a superior user experience. This seems to be true, as far as interacting with the TV is concerned. Their menus are intuitive and it was easy to grasp all their features. This is true about their website as well, which although ridden with flash, is easier to use compared to Dish.

    So why did I still chose to go for a refund? Because of the fundamentally unfair and cleverly restrictive ways in which everything in the service is designed. Tata Sky is great for anyone who only cares about watching TV. But if you refuse to be treated as an idiot who cannot see right from worng and refuse to have your rights trampled, Tata Sky is not for you.

    I have three main issues with their service. But first, here's a bit of an introduction, how Tata Sky DTH works:




    Issue #1 Hardware Ownership: what am I paying for?


    You don't own the dish, Tata Sky does
    That's correct. They will never advertise this, nor will the dealer tell you about it when you make the purchase. The dish belongs to Tata Sky, if you deactivate they take back the dish and the digicard.

    You do own the Set-Top-Box (STB) but it's worthless without the dish
    The purhcase you make is only for the set-top box. You will get a receipt for the set-top box and the renewal card. The Tata Sky engineer will bring the dish with him at the time of the installation. The dish transmits the signal from the satellite to the set-top box, also called satellite receiver, or in Tata Sky's case - the digicomp. In UK, it's called the digibox. The set-top box by itself is of no use without the dish.

    In fact, if you deactivate tomorrow, they may take away both the dish AND the set-top box
    This was the most shocking bit of information in the contract that Tata Sky wanted me to sign at the time of installation. Clause 11.3 of the contract explicitly states that Tata Sky can remove all the "hardware" from my place at the time of deactivation of service. It doesn't define what hardware is or makes any distinction between dish and digicomp.

    If you are a Tata Sky customer and you wish to stop the service tomorrow, by signing that contract, you have permitted them to take away the set-top box for which you paid in full. Don't believe me? Call up customer support and ask them to read out clause #11.3.


    Issue #2 User Privacy: what about my rights?


    They store all your usage information - how you watch your TV, what you watch, for how long and when
    The contract states that Tata Sky may store every aspect of how you use their service. This allows them to create your detailed profile which will include your TV watching habits, how you order their premium services and so on. They already have all your contact information. Can you see where it's going?

    They can profit from that information by selling it to third parties (read advertisers)
    That's correct. By signing the contract you have agreed to let them use that information in any way they choose including making good money from it by selling it to "third parties". You, of course, get no share in this revenue stream. You get something else.

    Be prepared to receive lots of very targeted ads (read spam)
    This is the obvious implication of giving up your rights. Tata Sky knows which shows you've set as your favorites, they know what kind of movies you like, the channels you watch or don't watch, how many times you've ordered movies in the last three months. With this wealth of information, advertisers can draw up a pretty good picture of you so don't be surprised to get mailers online or offline that seem to be designed just for you.


    Issue #3 Restrictive trade practices: locked away till eternity


    You shall remain locked to receive Tata Sky forever, no Dish TV or another DTH service for you
    If you buy a cell phone you expect it to work with any SIM card. Except when you get the phone for a discount, in which case, you can only use it with one particular SIM. You'd think that the same would be true for DTH, but no. With Tata Sky or Dish TV for that matter, even after paying for the equipment in full, you are not allowed to access the other's services. As a Tata Sky customer you are forever locked to receive only their services. This is clearly a restrictive trade practice.

    TRAI, the regulatory authority that monitors DTH in India, is apparently working on the interoperability issue. But so far the players can behave the way they wish until the rules come into being. However, even if they allow inter-connection, it will be of little use with Tata Sky as you will lose the dish if you deactivate and perhaps even the set-top box.

    You shall remain devoid of even Free-To-Air channels if you don't renew subscription on time
    Free-to-Air channels are supposed to be, well, Free-to-Air. Not so with Tata Sky. If you don't renew the subscription on the due date, by 12 midnight, all your channels will be inaccessible including FTA.

    You shall remain locked to the direction in which the dish is positioned
    I called up customer support to ask whether one can somehow receive FTA channels broadcasted by other countries. Turns out, I'm not allowed to move the dish and in fact, it is not movable in the first place since it needs to be pointed at a very specific angle and has no tolerence for error.

    You shall remain locked to the settings of the set-top-box
    The user interface of Tata Sky does not permit one to setup alternative settings. There are no explicit options to change settings although a hidden menu springs up if you press the right combination of buttons. (see below for more)

    You shall remain locked to the amount you carry in renewal voucher
    Even the prepaid renewal voucher of Tata Sky is designed to get the most out of you. It only comes in the denomination of Rs 550 - which is more than what you need for a month's subscription (Rs 300) but not enough for two month (Rs 600). So at any given time you have Rs 250 always locked up in the voucher whether you want it or not. Perfect for Tata Sky because they want you to pay for their premium services. Not for someone who has no intention of paying for those services.

    Not coincidentally, the renewal voucher is the only way to make payment with Tata Sky while Dish TV allows you to pay using several modes of payment.


    To sum up all the above, buying Tata Sky digicomp and services was like buying a car which I cannot run on any fuel except the one supplied by the car maker. I must keep buying the fuel from them because if I stop, they can take away my car for which I paid in full!

    In US or UK, there's no contract when you sign up for a satellite TV service. The contract only comes in when you get the equipment for free. It's only in India that we are made to sign on these ridiculous terms. What surprised me most in this episode is the utter ignorance about the terms of the contract within Tata Sky itself. The engineer who came for installation said my signature is needed as an authorisation for installation. His team leader I spoke with had no information about the terms. Two senior people in the organisation that the dealer made me speak to prior to refund, also proffered ignorance about these terms and had no convincing answer.


    Other things you perhaps didn't know about Tata Sky

    The reception is extremely poor or unavailable during rains. This however, is true about every satellite TV service in the world. Tata Sky makes no mention of it on their website.
    Their toll-free number only works with MTNL / BSNL lines. If you're an Airtel subscriber, you'll have to call an STD number to get customer support. Knowing how long these calls take, the support will end up costing you quite a bit. (You can't go out and call from another phone because you might need to sit next to the TV if they tell you to change some settings)
    In North Delhi, there have been reports that NDPL, also a Tata company, is using force to remove cable connections from NDPL electricity poles causing disruption in the cable infrastructure and forcing cable TV subscribers in 800,000 homes to upgrade to Tata Sky.
    The set-top box that Tata Sky provides has a hidden port to accept PC card but it's been rendered useless since there's no software interface to use it. It's hidden behind a small plate held by two screws at the back.
    They charge you Rs. 1000 when you change a house.
    They will never tell you this but you can watch TV in more than one room with a single set-top box though you'll only be able to watch the same channel on all TVs.
    There is a hidden settings menu in their interface for the technically inclined. Go to Organiser > System Settings > press 0, 1 and <select> button in quick succession. You'll get to DNB settings and other options.

    The Tata Sky set-top box is from Thomson, their remote identical to those you get with SkyTV in UK and the software is from Open TV, the firm that sells software to Sky TV. Apparently, no one has been able to hack Sky TV (at least not publicly) to use the service without paying subscription fees.

    What can you do to protest?

    Do not purchase their service. If you must, then refuse to sign the contract and demand they respect your rights.
    Flood their customer care centre asking them questions about the three issues: ownership, privacy and restrictions.
    Tell others to avoid Tata Sky. At least until they revise their terms and change restrictive policies. Another thing to remember is that there are other DTH players like Reliance, Airtel and new technologies such as IPTV that are on the horizon.
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    If this is true then "Poor TataSky Subscribers". Also is there any similar terms in DishTV? We hoped that Tatasky would be better than Dish tv but it is not so

    Tata Sky subscribers please tell your views too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnb15k View Post
    If this is true then "Poor TataSky Subscribers". Also is there any similar terms in DishTV? We hoped that Tatasky would be better than Dish tv but it is not so

    Tata Sky subscribers please tell your views too.
    Some personal experiance.

    I used DISHTV for two years.Now i am using TATASKY.
    The picture quality as well as the sound is better than Dishtv.
    When you change the channel,Dishtv hanged due to poor s/w,but not facing this problem in TATASKY.
    I faced several time all channels closing problem in Dishtv,But not faced yet in TATASKY.
    There was no TATASKY engineer with me,i installed my self.

    you said;the set top box by itself is of no use without the dish,while i am using on locally made dish in Pakistan.
    I am watching other sats too,on TATASKY,While Dish tv dont have this facility.
    Abdur-Rehman Dawar.

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    dear dawar thanks nice info bhia ji i also have tatasky and i am fully satisfied from tatasky dear how can i use other sat on tata sky plz reply me what is ur phone number i live in lahore waiting 4 ur reply

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    Dear Yousaf, I'm also from lahore and want to buy DishTV OR TataSKY. Please suggest various shops dealing in it. THANKS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yousaf awan View Post
    dear dawar thanks nice info bhia ji i also have tatasky and i am fully satisfied from tatasky dear how can i use other sat on tata sky plz reply me what is ur phone number i live in lahore waiting 4 ur reply
    Plz check this link for adding TPs and your PM as well.
    http://www.rdi-board.com/showthread.php?t=44608
    Abdur-Rehman Dawar.

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    Dear Dawar....... I think you are more experienced in this field and hence you were able to add other Sats in Tatasky ,, but most of them still dont know how to do it... so i think the person who posted the comments in that link must be with null knowledge regarding STB as most of the DTH buyers will be.

    And about Adding TPs on Dishtv......I think it is also possible.. i read it somewhere that we can also add TP and SAT in New software of Dishtv also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dawar098 View Post

    you said;the set top box by itself is of no use without the dish,while i am using on locally made dish in Pakistan.
    I am watching other sats too,on TATASKY,While Dish tv dont have this facility.
    Dear Dawar I didn't tell anything like that. I said that it would be nice if TATA subscribers give their views. Mj posted some ones views and it was not my views I am much more experienced than that Blogger so I kept out from both the DTH

    Anyway that user said that without a dish, a Set Top box cannot be used. What you have done is you are using a custom made dish with the Tata Sky STB. I also think without a dish STBs won't have their use In Dish tv also TPs can be added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnb15k View Post
    Dear Dawar I didn't tell anything like that. I said that it would be nice if TATA subscribers give their views. Mj posted some ones views and it was not my views I am much more experienced than that Blogger so I kept out from both the DTH

    Anyway that user said that without a dish, a Set Top box cannot be used. What you have done is you are using a custom made dish with the Tata Sky STB. I also think without a dish STBs won't have their use In Dish tv also TPs can be added.
    Dear lnb15k,if you know something about adding TPs in Dishtv,plz mention here.in the privious s/w,it was possible ,but i dont think in the current s/w.Any way if some one has the experiance,share here,so that we all could learn.
    Abdur-Rehman Dawar.

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    Cool where i can buy tata sky in pakistan

    dear please tell me where i can buy tata sky in pakistan last time i seen in islamabad and rawalpindi and peshawar many peoples are using tata sky i want to know where they can get it. and i also want to get tata sky please guide me
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    dear i have dishtv with 6 month price 11000 if u intersted pm

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    Where are you from Yousaf, I'm from lahore and do want to purchase DishTV?. Moreover is it registered?.

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    Tata sky is better than Dth for signals,and stb is very good from Tomsan.If you want to use out side india Tata sky is 100% good.
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