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    digi inca nici na trecut in n3 si deja in spaña goltv tdt codificat in nagra4 cu cam nagra
    pt tv ce are intrare pcmcia si tdt incorporat

    > Exito Abriendo COM1
    > ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 54 49 47 45 52
    > 36 30 31 20 52 65 76 4D 38 30 13
    > ROM Revisión: 601
    > EEPROM Revisión: RevM80
    > Error, tipo de tarjeta no soportado
    > Exito Cerrando COM1


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    asteptam un mosc pentru n3


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    Default Nu pot decat sa confirm......

    Nu pot decat sa confirm cele spuse de bunul nostru prieten shi coleg @Elrumano:
    Dupa ce au facut trecerea sau o mai fac,in America,acum o introduc shi in Europa:
    "I read this on another fta site, can somebody verify this? I havent heard it anywhere else.

    Good Read About N3 by Odd Thomas
    (Update)

    With the introduction of the newest encryption system from “The K******i Group” which devolved (Nagravision3) for DN and B3ll introduced their new encryption system last Nov 08’ the system seems to be secure at this time but the rumors seem none stop.

    As of today the rumor mill still flows to all FTA Site’s, rumors about a new hack of NDS and Nagra3 encryption system seems to have some merit.

    The potential of the hack Nagravision3 system will be a major blow to the ailing Swiss coding specialist K*******i. This past week, made known a substantial gain in the first part of 2009. The Cost was mainly suffered by the company had to make codes cracked by television weather to recover. Even the loss of customers by the long-term free channels has to look at the losses to K******i. In the Netherlands using the digital television Canal Digital, Mediaguard and UPC (Nagravision3) the
    encryption of Kudelski well as other products and services of the Swiss company Since yesterday monitors our editors increasingly rumors about the possible hack of the NDS Videoguard and Kudelski Nagravision3 codering system. In practice this could mean that the package of Sky Italia (Videoguard), the Spanish D (Nagravision3) and the German Premiere (Nagravision3) without paying any adjustments can be made visible.

    The possible Nagravision3 hack is of a commercial nature. There will soon be a "Smart Card ijskrabber" on the market which brought more than 120 euro’s will cost. The force and any lasting effect of this Smart Card is totally uncertain, hence the pet name "ijskrabber”. Today come from Italy also becoming increasingly stubborn rumors that have never publicly hacked Videoguard encoding of the English NDS prey would have been cases of hackers. It talks about using an older model Nokia (Dbox) a (Dreambox) receiver via a smart card.

    Direct Information:
    With (RSA) and (IDEA) digital encryption standards equipment decided to raise NP. D + and a Premium Card N3 (After KARTENTAUSCH) It seems a (backdoor) has been found in the ROM180 Card using (D+) tools on Rom142 (TV Cabo) tool is really it is not a tool for (MOSC Cabo), that does a TV to him (Cabo ermölglicht tickets of MOSC) in all the free air channels (except PPV). The fact is that the new system of (N3) can be breathed, and now we are seeing testing done on (DVB-Cards) and some small hacks on (emulator’s boxes). This is ofcourse the first steps in a viable fix for all (stand-alone) "FTA" Boxes today.

    Please note: I would stress again that no (0fficial Hack) has been released and it would still be some months before a workaround could be released for any (DTH) STB.

    But yesterday, Mr. Charles Ergen (CEO) of DN "announced in a Memo to the (SI) department that he would be releasing the (G4) card for all PPV Movie, PPV Sports, and all PPV Porn Channels within the next few months for all (VIP) model MPEG4 boxes. I believe this is a calculated move to counter any and all (loopholes), and or (backdoors) that some (NDS) and (Kudelski Group) coders might have left into their older system Nagra1 and Nagra2 encryption systems that Nagra3 is based on. This is ofcourse circumvent all work hackers have done up to this time on Nagra3 systems to date, and will cause all the work done up to this point to be worthless. I personally believe this may have been his plan from the beginning and force hackers to stop work on the new system and to wait for
    The release of Nagravision (G4) cards.

    Sorry for the News but its all I have to offer.

    Sorry to bust your bubble here but its NOT Nagra 3 encryption Charlie is going to use he is pulling all the stops out and going to NAGRA4 yeppers thats right Nagra4 encryption on all these PORNO channels. Sorry for the bad news guys but this has not even been seen outside the lab yet and their is no known hack!

    Oh' Sorry forgot to mention that the new (G4) cards are only going to be issued to ppl with the (VIP) Receivers and substrictions to these Playboy channels, so anyone with a VIP receiver that is MPEG4 will get this cards."
    Citat de pe un alt Forum,care citeaza alt Forum ,ca de obicei,vine logul colegului nostru @Elrumano ,ca o confirmare a ceea ce se pregateshte in culisele "Pay Tv".(citat din sursa:www.abadss.com)

    Dar poanta cea mai dura vine acum !

    Citat din sat-universe.com:

    "THE ...URE
    I hope that someone here can answer all or some of these questions with informed and reliable information (I fully understand that reliable information is a relative term and that in dealing with this hobby any and all info is

    NAGRAVISION 3 or 4
    Apparently both DN and BEV are committed to switching over to a new encryption technology referred to as Nagravision 3 or 4.
    Info in one thread indicated that the current Nagravision encryption was cracked by a European Group and it took over a years work before they were successful and that this group or groups referred to as the ROM Groups in one post have the skills to do this and that the coders currently providing the working bins will be unable to accomplish anything until Nag 3/4 has been compromised.
    If history repeats itself it could require many months or longer to crack this new encryption method and that most likely those who utilize these 3rd party files in order to view DN or BEV will be unable to do so and their viewing will be limited to true FTA signals, perhaps for months or longer until the new Nag 3/4 encryption is cracked.

    Q1. Is this correct interpretation of what to expect in the near ...ure?

    Q2. Does anyone have any reasonably accurate info that could further enlighten us about these upcoming events?
    Apparently Bev is nearing completion on it's card swap and providing subs with it's new so called smart card. Also from my understanding Bev will switch over to the new encryption method referred to Nagravision 3 or 4.

    Q3. Is the card swap and the introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption technology two separate security measures on Bev's part or is the new card simply a requirement in order for the subs to unscramble the Nag 3/4 encryption technology? Info in various threads indicate that DN will also be switching over to the new encryption method provided by Nagravision 3/4 by the end of this year.

    Q4. Is DN is in the process of doing a card swap for their subs also or are they able to utilize the Nagravision 3/4 encryption technology without the necessity of a card swap?

    FULL EMULATION

    On July 10th Neosat V2 team indicated that with the release of v 2.95 they had achieved a FULL EMULATION (Cardless along with IKS fixes).


    "this is NOT a patch, this is FULL EMU. 99% guarantee Neosat will stay up until a card swap. and if it ever goes down, it will be fixed within 30 minutes max."
    I'm under the impression that FULL EMULATION means that utilizing the FULL EMULATION bins the systems work the same as an actual subscribers would. Yet he specifically indicated that the system would work until a card swap - indicating that with the card swap and/or introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption they also would have to start from scratch and wait for the Nag 3/4 to be cracked.

    Q5. A full emulation will also go down until the Nag 3/4 technology is cracked, is this correct? My understanding of the workings of IKS and HIKS are minimal. Like most here my primary concern is will they continue to deliver. Currently Neosat has both IKS (v3.15 - server 1) & HIKS (v10.06 - server 2) available.

    Q6. Will the iPros continue to receive DN & BEV when connected to the IKS or HIKS systems after the activation of the NAG 3/4 encryption technology and Card Swaps or will the v2 team also be dependant on the cracking of the NAG 3/4 encryption method in order to keep the iPros connected to the IKS/HIKS systems working?

    Q7. If the new card swap is a seperate security technology and not just a method of unscrambling the new NAG 3/4 encryption technology, will this prevent IKS/HIKS systems from delivering a usuable signal.

    Q8. What of the other receivers using IKS such as nfusion - is it expected that they will continue working or are their IKS systems dependant on a crack of Nag 3/4 ?

    Q9. Lastly is their any difference with the receivers not originally marketed with a build in IKS connection and now utilizing internet adapters or so called Dongle's to connect to IKS systems - as far as expectations after the implementation of Nag 3/4?

    I certainly understand that their are no guarantees when it comes to pursueing the fta hobby. However answers to the above questions are quite important to those of us who may be considering expenditures for additional hardware or upgrades
    Reply With Quote"

    Shi ceva in plus(ptr cei care intzeleg shi mai mult)
    "by any 10sec. change Provider-id"
    "New ECM and CA-ID in to channel VH1 etc.
    1217 0000 0000 0000D7 1880 N***a Digital (K******i SA) --"
    "New ECM and CA-ID in to freq.12527-H and 12607-H.
    VH1,D**ifilm 1,A****a 2,Discovery *O,Sport *o,TV* 2."
    "16DE 0000 0000 000000 1801 N***a Digital (K*****i SA) -ECM: 2*184 B/s - nagra2
    16DF 0000 0000 000000 1802 N****a Digital (K******i SA) -ECM: 130*184 B/s -nagra3
    16E0 0000 0000 0000EB 1880 N***a Digital (K******i SA) -ECM: 11*184 B/s -nagra?......
    [27.7.2009 19:00:38] dvbviewer4.0.0.0 D**iFilm 1 - NAGRA->lastECM: 81 30 47 07 45 21 11 96 00 08 C3 4B A7 F4 43 C1 40 70 43 C6 08 29 5A BE FB CA C1 2E E2 14 EA 26 8C 22 94 A0 80 D1 67 3A 34 1A 91 26 DC 70 EB E9 A0 C6 57 9D 74 3A 01 CE 53 73 CC D2 33 FC 79 AB 0C FA 6F F9 14 64 81 7E 57 87"
    Sa vedem ce o sa mai vada profesionishtii din Frantza cu DM-urile lor
    Se shtiu ei aia cu "Profi Power Replay",fara aia cu mosc
    Au sa se uite pe tzeava...........de tun de la monumentele care aduc aminte de cele doua razboaie mondiale Shi vor asculta mai departe muzica din aia care e cum e shi sigla postului de radio


    Numai Bine tuturor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospector View Post
    Nu pot decat sa confirm cele spuse de bunul nostru prieten shi coleg @Elrumano:
    Dupa ce au facut trecerea sau o mai fac,in America,acum o introduc shi in Europa:
    "I read this on another fta site, can somebody verify this? I havent heard it anywhere else.

    Good Read About N3 by Odd Thomas
    (Update)

    With the introduction of the newest encryption system from “The K******i Group” which devolved (Nagravision3) for DN and B3ll introduced their new encryption system last Nov 08’ the system seems to be secure at this time but the rumors seem none stop.

    As of today the rumor mill still flows to all FTA Site’s, rumors about a new hack of NDS and Nagra3 encryption system seems to have some merit.

    The potential of the hack Nagravision3 system will be a major blow to the ailing Swiss coding specialist K*******i. This past week, made known a substantial gain in the first part of 2009. The Cost was mainly suffered by the company had to make codes cracked by television weather to recover. Even the loss of customers by the long-term free channels has to look at the losses to K******i. In the Netherlands using the digital television Canal Digital, Mediaguard and UPC (Nagravision3) the
    encryption of Kudelski well as other products and services of the Swiss company Since yesterday monitors our editors increasingly rumors about the possible hack of the NDS Videoguard and Kudelski Nagravision3 codering system. In practice this could mean that the package of Sky Italia (Videoguard), the Spanish D (Nagravision3) and the German Premiere (Nagravision3) without paying any adjustments can be made visible.

    The possible Nagravision3 hack is of a commercial nature. There will soon be a "Smart Card ijskrabber" on the market which brought more than 120 euro’s will cost. The force and any lasting effect of this Smart Card is totally uncertain, hence the pet name "ijskrabber”. Today come from Italy also becoming increasingly stubborn rumors that have never publicly hacked Videoguard encoding of the English NDS prey would have been cases of hackers. It talks about using an older model Nokia (Dbox) a (Dreambox) receiver via a smart card.

    Direct Information:
    With (RSA) and (IDEA) digital encryption standards equipment decided to raise NP. D + and a Premium Card N3 (After KARTENTAUSCH) It seems a (backdoor) has been found in the ROM180 Card using (D+) tools on Rom142 (TV Cabo) tool is really it is not a tool for (MOSC Cabo), that does a TV to him (Cabo ermölglicht tickets of MOSC) in all the free air channels (except PPV). The fact is that the new system of (N3) can be breathed, and now we are seeing testing done on (DVB-Cards) and some small hacks on (emulator’s boxes). This is ofcourse the first steps in a viable fix for all (stand-alone) "FTA" Boxes today.

    Please note: I would stress again that no (0fficial Hack) has been released and it would still be some months before a workaround could be released for any (DTH) STB.

    But yesterday, Mr. Charles Ergen (CEO) of DN "announced in a Memo to the (SI) department that he would be releasing the (G4) card for all PPV Movie, PPV Sports, and all PPV Porn Channels within the next few months for all (VIP) model MPEG4 boxes. I believe this is a calculated move to counter any and all (loopholes), and or (backdoors) that some (NDS) and (Kudelski Group) coders might have left into their older system Nagra1 and Nagra2 encryption systems that Nagra3 is based on. This is ofcourse circumvent all work hackers have done up to this time on Nagra3 systems to date, and will cause all the work done up to this point to be worthless. I personally believe this may have been his plan from the beginning and force hackers to stop work on the new system and to wait for
    The release of Nagravision (G4) cards.

    Sorry for the News but its all I have to offer.

    Sorry to bust your bubble here but its NOT Nagra 3 encryption Charlie is going to use he is pulling all the stops out and going to NAGRA4 yeppers thats right Nagra4 encryption on all these PORNO channels. Sorry for the bad news guys but this has not even been seen outside the lab yet and their is no known hack!

    Oh' Sorry forgot to mention that the new (G4) cards are only going to be issued to ppl with the (VIP) Receivers and substrictions to these Playboy channels, so anyone with a VIP receiver that is MPEG4 will get this cards."
    Citat de pe un alt Forum,care citeaza alt Forum ,ca de obicei,vine logul colegului nostru @Elrumano ,ca o confirmare a ceea ce se pregateshte in culisele "Pay Tv".(citat din sursa:www.abadss.com)

    Dar poanta cea mai dura vine acum !

    Citat din sat-universe.com:

    "THE ...URE
    I hope that someone here can answer all or some of these questions with informed and reliable information (I fully understand that reliable information is a relative term and that in dealing with this hobby any and all info is

    NAGRAVISION 3 or 4
    Apparently both DN and BEV are committed to switching over to a new encryption technology referred to as Nagravision 3 or 4.
    Info in one thread indicated that the current Nagravision encryption was cracked by a European Group and it took over a years work before they were successful and that this group or groups referred to as the ROM Groups in one post have the skills to do this and that the coders currently providing the working bins will be unable to accomplish anything until Nag 3/4 has been compromised.
    If history repeats itself it could require many months or longer to crack this new encryption method and that most likely those who utilize these 3rd party files in order to view DN or BEV will be unable to do so and their viewing will be limited to true FTA signals, perhaps for months or longer until the new Nag 3/4 encryption is cracked.

    Q1. Is this correct interpretation of what to expect in the near ...ure?

    Q2. Does anyone have any reasonably accurate info that could further enlighten us about these upcoming events?
    Apparently Bev is nearing completion on it's card swap and providing subs with it's new so called smart card. Also from my understanding Bev will switch over to the new encryption method referred to Nagravision 3 or 4.

    Q3. Is the card swap and the introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption technology two separate security measures on Bev's part or is the new card simply a requirement in order for the subs to unscramble the Nag 3/4 encryption technology? Info in various threads indicate that DN will also be switching over to the new encryption method provided by Nagravision 3/4 by the end of this year.

    Q4. Is DN is in the process of doing a card swap for their subs also or are they able to utilize the Nagravision 3/4 encryption technology without the necessity of a card swap?

    FULL EMULATION

    On July 10th Neosat V2 team indicated that with the release of v 2.95 they had achieved a FULL EMULATION (Cardless along with IKS fixes).


    "this is NOT a patch, this is FULL EMU. 99% guarantee Neosat will stay up until a card swap. and if it ever goes down, it will be fixed within 30 minutes max."
    I'm under the impression that FULL EMULATION means that utilizing the FULL EMULATION bins the systems work the same as an actual subscribers would. Yet he specifically indicated that the system would work until a card swap - indicating that with the card swap and/or introduction of the Nag 3/4 encryption they also would have to start from scratch and wait for the Nag 3/4 to be cracked.

    Q5. A full emulation will also go down until the Nag 3/4 technology is cracked, is this correct? My understanding of the workings of IKS and HIKS are minimal. Like most here my primary concern is will they continue to deliver. Currently Neosat has both IKS (v3.15 - server 1) & HIKS (v10.06 - server 2) available.

    Q6. Will the iPros continue to receive DN & BEV when connected to the IKS or HIKS systems after the activation of the NAG 3/4 encryption technology and Card Swaps or will the v2 team also be dependant on the cracking of the NAG 3/4 encryption method in order to keep the iPros connected to the IKS/HIKS systems working?

    Q7. If the new card swap is a seperate security technology and not just a method of unscrambling the new NAG 3/4 encryption technology, will this prevent IKS/HIKS systems from delivering a usuable signal.

    Q8. What of the other receivers using IKS such as nfusion - is it expected that they will continue working or are their IKS systems dependant on a crack of Nag 3/4 ?

    Q9. Lastly is their any difference with the receivers not originally marketed with a build in IKS connection and now utilizing internet adapters or so called Dongle's to connect to IKS systems - as far as expectations after the implementation of Nag 3/4?

    I certainly understand that their are no guarantees when it comes to pursueing the fta hobby. However answers to the above questions are quite important to those of us who may be considering expenditures for additional hardware or upgrades
    Reply With Quote"

    Shi ceva in plus(ptr cei care intzeleg shi mai mult)
    "by any 10sec. change Provider-id"
    "New ECM and CA-ID in to channel VH1 etc.
    1217 0000 0000 0000D7 1880 N***a Digital (K******i SA) --"
    "New ECM and CA-ID in to freq.12527-H and 12607-H.
    VH1,D**ifilm 1,A****a 2,Discovery *O,Sport *o,TV* 2."
    "16DE 0000 0000 000000 1801 N***a Digital (K*****i SA) -ECM: 2*184 B/s - nagra2
    16DF 0000 0000 000000 1802 N****a Digital (K******i SA) -ECM: 130*184 B/s -nagra3
    16E0 0000 0000 0000EB 1880 N***a Digital (K******i SA) -ECM: 11*184 B/s -nagra?......
    [27.7.2009 19:00:38] dvbviewer4.0.0.0 D**iFilm 1 - NAGRA->lastECM: 81 30 47 07 45 21 11 96 00 08 C3 4B A7 F4 43 C1 40 70 43 C6 08 29 5A BE FB CA C1 2E E2 14 EA 26 8C 22 94 A0 80 D1 67 3A 34 1A 91 26 DC 70 EB E9 A0 C6 57 9D 74 3A 01 CE 53 73 CC D2 33 FC 79 AB 0C FA 6F F9 14 64 81 7E 57 87"
    Sa vedem ce o sa mai vada profesionishtii din Frantza cu DM-urile lor
    Se shtiu ei aia cu "Profi Power Replay",fara aia cu mosc
    Au sa se uite pe tzeava...........de tun de la monumentele care aduc aminte de cele doua razboaie mondiale Shi vor asculta mai departe muzica din aia care e cum e shi sigla postului de radio


    Numai Bine tuturor
    Prospector/PapaDan
    Sal ,

    profesore aia din frantza se uita de mult si bine si peste 10 ani itzi scriu la fel ca ma uit

    Da in fine stai u cu copy /paste si cu kude in frunte ca bine stai

    Si inca ceva cint te pisi incearca sa nu te pisi in directia vintului ca ajungi ca si Kude

    O zi buna

    Bafta

    P.S:Cind faci primul tau M.O.S.C sa ne anunti ca poate mai invatzam ceva

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prospector View Post
    Shi ceva in plus(ptr cei care intzeleg shi mai mult)
    "by any 10sec. change Provider-id"
    "New ECM and CA-ID in to channel VH1 etc.
    1217 0000 0000 0000D7 1880 N***a Digital (K******i SA) --"
    "New ECM and CA-ID in to freq.12527-H and 12607-H.
    VH1,D**ifilm 1,A****a 2,Discovery *O,Sport *o,TV* 2."
    "16DE 0000 0000 000000 1801 N***a Digital (K*****i SA) -ECM: 2*184 B/s - nagra2
    16DF 0000 0000 000000 1802 N****a Digital (K******i SA) -ECM: 130*184 B/s -nagra3
    16E0 0000 0000 0000EB 1880 N***a Digital (K******i SA) -ECM: 11*184 B/s -nagra?......
    [27.7.2009 19:00:38] dvbviewer4.0.0.0 D**iFilm 1 - NAGRA->lastECM: 81 30 47 07 45 21 11 96 00 08 C3 4B A7 F4 43 C1 40 70 43 C6 08 29 5A BE FB CA C1 2E E2 14 EA 26 8C 22 94 A0 80 D1 67 3A 34 1A 91 26 DC 70 EB E9 A0 C6 57 9D 74 3A 01 CE 53 73 CC D2 33 FC 79 AB 0C FA 6F F9 14 64 81 7E 57 87"
    Sa vedem ce o sa mai vada profesionishtii din Frantza cu DM-urile lor
    Se shtiu ei aia cu "Profi Power Replay",fara aia cu mosc
    Au sa se uite pe tzeava...........de tun de la monumentele care aduc aminte de cele doua razboaie mondiale Shi vor asculta mai departe muzica din aia care e cum e shi sigla postului de radio


    Numai Bine tuturor
    Prospector/PapaDan
    Nahh, asa pentru introducere ceea ce vezi tu acolo CAID 1880 o sa fie o surpriza neplacuta... tot N3 e dar antisharing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by elrumano View Post
    digi inca nici na trecut in n3 si deja in spaña goltv tdt codificat in nagra4 cu cam nagra
    pt tv ce are intrare pcmcia si tdt incorporat

    > Exito Abriendo COM1
    > ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 54 49 47 45 52
    > 36 30 31 20 52 65 76 4D 38 30 13
    > ROM Revisión: 601
    > EEPROM Revisión: RevM80
    > Error, tipo de tarjeta no soportado
    > Exito Cerrando COM1


    elrumano
    Salve si respect amigo @elrumano.Nu pot contesta ptr nimik in lume ce ai pus tu mai sus dar uite ce am citit eu(nu stiu daca e adevarat sau nu) pe un foro (Nowsat),poate totusi e N3 si in aceste conditii interesul unora de a studia creste

    " Momentos antes de las 14:00 la emisión de Gol TV estaba en negro porque Retevisión estaba probando su sistema de acceso condicional.

    GolTV emite finalmente en Nagravisión no en SECA con núcleo NAGRA. Al menos durante las pruebas está activado el sistema de acceso condicional 1812Hex que se corresponde con una de las variantes de Nagra3. La ECM (por donde se transmiten los datos de desencriptación cada 10 segundos) está en el pid 8160 y la EMM (donde se activan y desactivan tarjetas y se actualizan las claves) en el pid 8150.

    Retevisión ha actualizado únicamente las tablas del multiplex 69, por tanto para activar la tarjeta se deberá estar sintonizando GolTv, Antena3, Neox o Nova para que la activación sea efectiva.

    El hecho de que finalmente sea NAGRA3 y no SECA puede ser algo molesto para las personas que dispusiésen de CAMs multisistema ya que NAGRA3 no está muy extendido en forma de CAMs.

    Nagra3 es un sistema nuevo y polimórfico, así que hasta que no se tranquilicen las aguas yo no me arriesgaría a comprar una CAM genérica (Multicam) para probar.

    Yo me refería a que hay mucha gente con CAMs multisistema Matrix, Reborn, etc de épocas pasadas. Que podrían haber utilizado su CAM si el sistema elegido fuese SECA, siendo NAGRA imposible. No obstante empiezan a aparecer varios vendedores de CAMs compatibles Nagra3, en la página de retevisión (http://www.tdtpremium.es/receptores_tv.php) tienes al menos dos: CAM Engel RT 790 y Gigaset Premium CAM junto con una lista de compatibilidad con televisores de marcas conocidas. Por cierto Gigaset es Siemens...

    Un saludo.

    RomanT "

    sanatate si numa' biñe @elrumano ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBA2 View Post
    LOOOL plin de profesori ...........
    ..singurul care e cu adevarat profesor dintre cei care au scris in acest post e doar unul,se stie,restul nu ma intereseaza(cat de profesor sunt)....

    Quote Originally Posted by ALBA2 View Post
    Sa dea domnul sa nu mai sparga nimeni nagra 3 vreo 5 ani pina imi termin eu ratele )))
    ...explica-te mai bine,putem intelege altceva sau ce vrem noi din ce afirmi tu mai sus..

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    je je je n3 antisharing legenda urbana cei batrani in deale astea de cativa anii buni tot auzim ca se vorbeste de antisahring mii de sisteme seca viacces ...... conax nds etc............. e n3 o varianta mai noua sai zicem ca la americani 3/4
    acum problema nu este daca e n3 sau 4 problema este daca sant inperecheate cardurile si dupa cate sa probat se pare ca este
    acum chestiunea e se merita studiat gol tv 1 canal un aparat terestru dvbt 15 euro luna 3 partide care se vad pe oricare dth din europa eu cred ca curiositatea din primele zile card nou sistem inbunatatit si nimic altceva in cateva saptamni cred ca nimeni no sa mai vorbeasca de el si cred ca gol tv va da si faliment esuaza in dvbt de pay :::::))



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    Mooo gaitzelor ! Cine a zis ceva despre "Profesor" in ceea ce am scris eu ? Era vorba de "profesionishti".Shi de unde vrei tu sa shtii @try2learn ca nu am facut mosc pina acum ?
    Daca e pina acolo.
    Alta la mana,eu am zis frumos ca nu pot decat sa intaresc ceea ce zice @Elrumano,restul nu vad de ce te ofenseaza asha ? Te simtzi cu "musca pe caciula" la ceea ce am scris la incheiere ? Eshti cloana cuiva ? Ce vrei de fapt ? Nu prea intzeleg !? Shi daca fac mosc,nu vin sa bat toba pe Forum,am cu cine sa impart informatziile astea,nu tre sa vin la tine sa ma dau mare shi nici nu cred ca am facut asta prin ce am scris aici.Am dat doar o informatzie mai departe.De ce nu ai cautat tu "logurile " alea sa l-e pui tu aici ? sau altu din cei care sar cu gura ?
    Asha ca "arasel" mooo.Mai incet ca sperii cainii.
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    Salut-fratilor romani ! Vad caci discutati despre cea ce practic este imposibil de a opri, adica sharingul ! Daca zice-ti de o alta decodare,în Nagra 4 si la dansa deja hacerii au si gasit un mod de vizionat orice platforma, indiferent cat de sofisticat ar produce firmele mari ! D-ra, credeti ca platforma rusa NTV + nu e tare în asa domeniu, sau Premiere a nemtilor de pe Astra? Si totusi peste sharing la noi în Ucraina practic orice platforma se poate comanda la sharing,cear si platformele romanesti cum ar fi Dolce, Acta sau Digi si numai cu 3 $ pe luna, pe cand cele platforme amintite mai sus cu 5 $ ! Mai nou au esit recivere "Eurosat 2x2" , care descodea-za orice platforma, fie în MPG-2 fie în MPG-4 si practic orice codificare o descodea-za ! Asa ca,fratilor nu Va îmbatati capul, care e mai tare sau daca sunteti abonati oficiali a unei platforme platiti doar pachetele romanesti ! Fi-ti linistiti si vedeti-va de treaba D-ra ! Cu multa stima si respect-d.doctor stomatolog Ion Ursanu din Ucraina !

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    Ursane,colegu,baiatule.......uite raspunsul de la voi de pe telespuntik.ru :
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    Merci de raspuns oricum,ne pare bine ca avem pe Forum shi colegi din zona voastra,avem ce invatza shi de la voi daca ne gandim ca "Omul invatza pina moare shi tot prost moare ".
    Oricum "Bine ai venit printre noi"
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